“Ken is a walking example of what he's teaching”

Ken is a walking example of what he's teaching. He has made an immense amount of money, retired when he was in his 20's, then he was a good father for a number of years, eventually, he decided he wanted to come back into the workplace. So when you can retire in your 20's that's, someone that's been, I always tell people, if you're going to go on a river trip in Africa, go with the guide who's been on the river before because he knows what he's talking about.